Please give me some warning on quirky sub-systems. This means that the benefit of the trait Magical Lineage can be combined with the benefit of the trait Wayang Spellhunter (i.e. Wayang Spellhunter- despite being brought up in the same forum contexts- was never errataed in the same way, but the effect is almost exactly the same, to the point that the d20pfsrd people added an editorial sidebar to their version of the Wayang Spellhunter trait that deals with the topic. However, the benefits of the traits Magical Lineage and Waywang Spellhunter are not bonuses-and even different benefits-, so the two traits can work in conjunction. For example, the trait Elven Reflexes and the trait Reactionary each grant a +2 trait bonus (the bonus's type) on initiative checks so a creature with both traits gains only a +2 trait bonus on initiative checks. …But the benefits of Magical Lineage and Waywang Spellhunter can be combinedĮxcept in rare case, bonuses of the same type or from the same source don't stack, and, instead, only the highest bonus of the same type is applied. There's no Metamagic Master trait in the Dragon Empires Primer as per its provenance on the d20PFSRD, only Wayang Spellhunter. Although both are regional traits and many GMs do ignore the rule that says that a creature can't take more than one trait from each trait category (see here on Restrictions on Trait Selection), the traits are also the same trait: The d20PFSRD renamed and changed the description of the trait Metamagic Master to remove product identity from the trait Wayang Spellhunter. It's unlikely that a GM will allow one creature to take both the Metamagic Master trait and the Wayang Spellhunter trait. Metamagic Master and Wayang Spellhunter are the same trait… By the way, this spell should be recallable with a Pearl of Power (1st).ĭo Magical Lineage, Metamagic Master and Wayang Spellhunter stack together? So a 1st level Intensified Empowered Shocking Grasp. If they stack, I could cast a Shocking Grasp with Intensified Spell (+1) Empower Spell (+2) with Magical Lineage (-1), Metamagic Master (-1) and Wayang Spellhunter (-1).
When you use this spell with a metamagic feat, it uses up a spell slot one level lower than it normally would. You grew up on one of the wayang-populated islands of Minata, and your use of magic while hunting has been a boon to you. When you use the chosen spell with a metamagic feat, it uses up a spell slot one level lower than it normally would. When you apply metamagic feats to this spell that add at least 1 level to the spell, treat its actual level as 1 lower for determining the spell’s final adjusted level. I've come to an impass.ĭo I disregard my VO's ruling and play my character as intended, with fear of reprisal or simply accept their ruling.Pick one spell when you choose this trait. With my Searchfu being strong due to the excess of threads available has revealed to me that many of the forums suggest that "yes" it does stack. Now, I wasn't offended but it made me think. Empowered with this knowledge, I simply state what I was told and was dismissed by the masses. Several months later have passed and a day or so ago. I begrudgingly accepted this and redistributed a trait elsewhere. During the last day of a local Con, I was told by both my VO's, whom are both equally wise and intelligent (a four and five star), have claimed that they do not stack for the purpose of falling into that area of "does the exact same thing in the end". I intended to use both ML&WSPH for the purpose of reducing my (PFS) characters final cost of a Fireball with metamagics.
I didn't feel right starting a new one to reiterate the same question because I was debating all day whether or not to make this post. As much as I hate having to necro a thread.
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